Check For Possible Stress Fractures

[Dahammer]

Just read about this in the FB group and someone is asking owners to check for possible stress fractures in paint or panels. I copied photos as examples as to where to check.

 

[Costa]

Just read about this in the FB group and someone is asking owners to check for possible stress fractures in paint or panels. I copied photos as examples as to where to check. View attachment 757View attachment 758

How prevalent is this, any scoop on build timeframes? Did they give any indications on that group about what is causing it? Almost looks like a bad batch of a coating that came out to rigid.

@LERISI maybe that's why you were in Paint so long, this might have been discovered.

 

[Dahammer]

How prevalent is this, any scoop on build timeframes? Did they give any indications on that group about what is causing it? Almost looks like a bad batch of a coating that came out to rigid.

@LERISI maybe that's why you were in Paint so long, this might have been discovered.

This morning, only four people said they have it so far. One was approved and repainted, and three others are going to the dealership service department for a write-up and approval for repair. It's covered by warranty.

Some people speculated Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer manufacturer rushed into the building of the vehicle. Me-Designers forget the Laws of Physics in water/pebbles being ejected from tires and what protection is needed. Also, my thoughts are either- Plastic/Vynl is not prepared correctly for painting. If I recall, (most) vehicle manufacturers use a rubberized paint coating on bumpers. I recently spoke with a body shop owner who is qualified by (Jeep and several other manufacturers) about my damage on the front bumper (minor). He said he or anyone else could not precisely reproduce how (rubberized paint) was applied by the factory. He even dreaded the thought if he had to repaint a Grand Wagoneer.

I think the paint manufacturer is most likely from PPG.

As for me, I would rather have a metal bumper than a plastic one any day.

 

[Costa]

This morning, only four people said they have it so far. One was approved and repainted, and three others are going to the dealership service department for a write-up and approval for repair. It's covered by warranty.

Some people speculated Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer manufacturer rushed into the building of the vehicle. Me-Designers forget the Laws of Physics in water/pebbles being ejected from tires and what protection is needed. Also, my thoughts are either- Plastic/Vynl is not prepared correctly for painting. If I recall, (most) vehicle manufacturers use a rubberized paint coating on bumpers. I recently spoke with a body shop owner who is qualified by (Jeep and several other manufacturers) about my damage on the front bumper (minor). He said he or anyone else could not precisely reproduce how (rubberized paint) was applied by the factory. He even dreaded the thought if he had to repaint a Grand Wagoneer.

I think the paint manufacturer is most likely from PPG.

As for me, I would rather have a metal bumper than a plastic one any day.

I haven't checked that lower rear quarter panel area, you mean it is 'rubber' too, not metal? That circle is at the quarter panel area, ugh, even less metal. Glad the frame is a real frame and not a Unibody!

 

[Dahammer]

I haven't checked that lower rear quarter panel area, you mean it is 'rubber' too, not metal? That circle is at the quarter panel area, ugh, even less metal. Glad the frame is a real frame and not a Unibody!

That area below the joint, I think, is part of the rear bumper system (5 mph impact rating), which wraps around to the driver's side. If I recall it's one piece.
Can it be rubberized? I think so. I can't fathom it being aluminum.

I cant check Patty out, she's at the dealership service department. She had a total meltdown after I detailed her last week. Battery died. Voltage drain when not running engine with doors open, doors closed, music playing, or no music playing, windows up, windows down, etc for several hours is enormous. I will try to figure out later electrical drain per hour. Need test equipment for that. Looking at battery tenders but need the right one in V/A/H. I don't want to underfeed her or cook the battery. Both are equally no good.

 

[Costa]

That area below the joint, I think, is part of the rear bumper system (5 mph impact rating), which wraps around to the driver's side. If I recall it's one piece.
Can it be rubberized? I think so. I can't fathom it being aluminum.

I cant check Patty out, she's at the dealership service department. She had a total meltdown after I detailed her last week. Battery died. Voltage drain when not running engine with doors open, doors closed, music playing, or no music playing, windows up, windows down, etc for several hours is enormous. I will try to figure out later electrical drain per hour. Need test equipment for that. Looking at battery tenders but need the right one in V/A/H. I don't want to underfeed her or cook the battery. Both are equally no good.

May your girl get well soon...

I have an Optima charger, works with multiple types of batteries. Haven't checked it for our type yet, had it for my prior ride. It seems to work really well, had a vehicle that ate batteries if it didn't run for a week. I think the Call Home type feature for emergencies radio was pre-4G LTE and when it got turned off, the batteries started to die quickly. Mechanics couldn't confirm it, said the radio was turned off but I had a steady light on for the SOS all the time, acting like it was trying to call for help. That charger saved my towing expenses, worked like a champ. I think it's the Optima Digital 1500.

 

[Back2Jeep]

Just read about this in the FB group and someone is asking owners to check for possible stress fractures in paint or panels. I copied photos as examples as to where to check.

Just read about this in the FB group and someone is asking owners to check for possible stress fractures in paint or panels. I copied photos as examples as to where to check. View attachment 757View attachment 758

Well how about that. I go offline a few days and all new issues surface. Naturally after reading this I went out to check and damn if I don’t have the same issue. Took some pictures and when I went to driver side I notice the same panel as the “stress fracture” side is bowed out slightly. Pushed on it and it’s almost like it’s missing a clip. It started slowly coming back out again.

Will get her washed up and better pics taken. Ugh. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Dahammer]

Well how about that. I go offline a few days and all new issues surface. Naturally after reading this I went out to check and damn if I don’t have the same issue. Took some pictures and when I went to driver side I notice the same panel as the “stress fracture” side is bowed out slightly. Pushed on it and it’s almost like it’s missing a clip. It started slowly coming back out again.

Will get her washed up and better pics taken. Ugh. Thanks for the heads up.

This is why I like this forum and not FB groups. We tend to look out for each other and give advice or ask questions or pass along info. I’m sorry about your car. Let us know what they are doing at your dealership service department.
As for me, I briefly checked Patty sides and rear end yesterday but I didn’t see it. She came home yesterday and Patty’s back at service department today. As for Patty, It’s a cluster fuck moment now and someone getting a spanking at service and it's not Patty!

 

[Dahammer]

May your girl get well soon...

I have an Optima charger, works with multiple types of batteries. Haven't checked it for our type yet, had it for my prior ride. It seems to work really well, had a vehicle that ate batteries if it didn't run for a week. I think the Call Home type feature for emergencies radio was pre-4G LTE and when it got turned off, the batteries started to die quickly. Mechanics couldn't confirm it, said the radio was turned off but I had a steady light on for the SOS all the time, acting like it was trying to call for help. That charger saved my towing expenses, worked like a champ. I think it's the Optima Digital 1500.

I have an oldie but goodie, a Schumacher battery charger 2/10/100 amp charger. Jump starts engines with no problem. Now for Patty, I bought NOCO GENIUS10 10 amp battery maintainer 6V/12V 10-Amp Smart Battery Charger and GBX752500A 12V UltraSafe Lithium Jump Starter - 2500amp rated. I won't have a problem anymore when I detail the interior with doors open and the engine not running. I hope